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03 February 2008 @ 10:42 pm
Hey everyone :)  
I, too, have a question just out of curiosity, haha. We're all done with our first semester/trimester/quarter of college and well underway on our second term (except if you have a short term like me, and you might be on a break between J-term and Spring semester!) We've grown out of our homesickness (hopefully!), made new friends, and are participating in exciting new things.

So now that we all (hopefully) have acclimated and are able to see the pros and cons of our chosen college in a more objective light, who among us is transferring? Hahaha :) It'd be cool just so we could all know we're not alone!

I'll start -- my name is Joy from Chicagoland and I'm officially a sophomore (but I did graduate high school in 2007, I promise I belong here lol) at Hollins University in Roanoke, VA. I'm hoping to transfer to Lawrence University in Appleton, WI for the fall trimester. I'm transferring out because my school is REALLY small (<800 students. My graduating class size from hs > my school's total undergraduate enrollment), I hate the location, find the social life lacking (suitcase school -- at least half of the school leaves on the weekends), and find that a lot (but not all) of the students there are not people I would never associate myself with. Classes are also waaaay easier than they were in high school and that bothers me since the other two colleges I was debating between attending are known for very rigorous and demanding workloads (Bryn Mawr College and Reed College.) Those are just a few of the reasons I'm planning on transferring.


Anyone else? :)
 
 
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dyserenitydyserenity on February 4th, 2008 05:24 am (UTC)
Hey, if you want to know anything about Lawrence, I'm currently a student here. :)
riot in the souljoyasaurus_rex on February 4th, 2008 09:23 am (UTC)
Oh wow, cool! I have a couple questions:


1) How's the food? Really. Not necessarily variety (I can eat the same thing over and over) but if the quality is awful, I'll just die. The food here is SO bad, not just in variety but in its quality. Sanitation is poor, it's unhealthy, and it just tastes bad. As long as it's just basic food (good sanitation, healthy enough, and tastes alright), I'm really, really, really not picky. I'm a vegetarian, too, but I'll eat anything without meat in it.

2) What's the "best" dorm? I'm really looking at Ormsby. And I'm not a student that would prefer to be closer to the con, as well.

3) What's there to do on campus? I understand there is a lot to do, but I'm just curious as to what those things are.

4) Is it really rigorous like I've been reading? I spent a week with one of Lawrence's more illustrious alums, Jennifer Baumgardner, and she claimed that it wasn't very rigorous at all. (She was an English major, though.) I understand it's pretty academically focused, which is what I'm looking at, but I'm wondering about how Lawrence really is in terms of academics.


Thanks a lot! Sorry for all the questions, though >.
dyserenitydyserenity on February 4th, 2008 02:03 pm (UTC)
The food varies. Right now there are two places to eat on campus during the week: Downer, the main dining hall, and Lucy's (short for Lucinda's). Lucy's food in generally nicer but they don't have as many options as Downer does. They only have one line where Downer has three. The food varies in quality from on the bad side--not awful, but not the best either--to really good. It depends on the day of the week and the dish. Weekend food isn't usually as good because Lucy's closes over the weekend and Downer has nothing to compete with. However, because of the new campus center, Lucy's is closing next year. Downer is being moved to the new center too, but not until 2009. We also have The Grill (it's similar to a cafe and a convenience store mixed together) and a coffee house.

I live in Colman and I love it. Colman has sinks in the room, which is incredibily nice. Ormsby is kind of falling apart, but a lot of the dorms are. (Lawrence is in a housing crunch since everyone has to live on campus.) It hasn't been renovated since the 60's, or says one of my friends who lived there last year. It's not a bad dorm from what I've seen, but I have only seen two different rooms. You can bunk beds in them. The ceilings are really high and a lot of the detail work is pretty. The kitchen in the basement is awful. If you like to cook often, choose another dorm. It has hardwood floors, and on some floors you can get semi-private bathrooms. Ormby's location is very nice, as it's right near pretty much all of the academic buildings. Plantz, the dorm next to the con, is filled with con students. A lot of them like to hang out in the lounge, and have thus started being called "loungies". They're fun to talk to. Plants has pretty big rooms. No closets though. Trevor is our party dorm this year. There's no elevator in it, which can be inconvenient if you live on the third or fourth floor. It's also on the edge of campus so you'll have to walk a few blocks to get to class. The rooms are decent if slightly on the small side and the basement is nice. Then there's Kolher, "The Tower of Purity" people jokingly call it since it is the sub-free dorm. The other dorms freshman can't really get into. There are a lot of theme houses and there are a few dorms only for upperclassmen, such as Exec, Dreheim (which I'm spelling wrong) and Heitt.

Well, because of the con there is pretty much some kind of concert at least every other night, if not every night. There are also a lot of clubs. Getting into the rest of Appleton is kind of hard if you don't have access to a car, but there are a lot of upperclassmen who have one who you can then beg rides off of. :) There are also shuttles that take people around town. Lawrence also brings in a lot of cool lecturers. I saw a guy earlier this year give a lecture on where he thinks cognitive science is going to go in the future, which was really cool. This month there is also a series of lectures on U.S.-China relations. There are always at least like five or six different events going on every evening. (If you want to poke around more, here's the calendar of events. It goes by day. Keep in mind this doesn't cover everything. There are posters all over the place inviting people to more events.
dyserenitydyserenity on February 4th, 2008 02:03 pm (UTC)
Rigor really depends on what classes you're taking with which professor and how much effort you want to put into the class. In general, everything is pretty rigorous. My friends who have near 4.0s pretty much only sleep about four hours a night, if that. The hardest majors on campus are physics and dual degree (where students get two degrees, a BA in some kind of music and a BS of some kind from the college). English is one of the easier majors on campus (We do have a good English department, but they're not as hardcore as some of the other departments workload-wise). The head of the English department, Tim Spurgin, is hardcore though. Taking classes with him is pretty interesting. He has a predilection for bow ties and he brings his classes food really often. It really depends on your professors and your personal work ethic, but generally the classes are challenging at the least.

No problem. I love Lawrence so I don't mind talking about it one bit. :) If you have any more questions, ask away! I might not be able to answer them until tonight because I have three classes plus work today, but I'd love to answer them. I'll also expand upon anything above if you'd like. (Most of this was written at four in the morning, so if parts aren't coherent, poke me and I'll explain. :P)
riot in the souljoyasaurus_rex on February 5th, 2008 05:51 am (UTC)
Thanks a ton! I really appreciate this, I really do.

Is there anything that can be done to prevent Lucy's from being permanently closed down?? I've heard better things about Lucy's than of Downer and I'm a little upset at the thought of never being able to eat there, haha.

Colman was my second choice. (I've already ranked my dorm preference, which I know I don't have to do until the summer if I get accepted, decide to attend, etc. but I'm very eager! XD) The dorms all sound like the ones at my school so I don't mind too much :P They probably are better than ours (a friend of mine had her radiator explode and it ruined her brand new Macbook!!! That was awful. These buildings are like, over 150 years old, though, so... yeah haha.)

And wow, there seem to be a lot of things to do on campus! That's so nice, esp. compared to my school haha. And everyone seems to be so involved and engaged in campus life. :)

Thanks a lot for all that clarification :) I just want to be able to be kept on my toes academically and not be, well, bored :)

I just have one question now that you've brought it up in your comments -- how reliable is the shuttle? And how often does it run? For instance, at my college, the shuttle runs only on Friday and Saturday and is VERY sketch and no one really trusts the shuttle at night. I've heard of plenty of people being left behind at night and not being picked up and personally know two people who were left behind. I've been left behind myself, but that's because I just missed the shuttle, not because they weren't there when they were supposed to be. Hehe, thanks :)
dyserenitydyserenity on February 5th, 2008 07:43 am (UTC)
I don't know. A lot of students have been making petitions but I don't think it's going to help at all. They've been planning this for a while. My roommate is in love with Lucy's breakfast muffins and she's running the facebook group to keep Lucy's from closing. ):

The heat is on year-round here. (Bring a fan or buy one when you get here. It's necessary.) We haven't had any radiators explode, thank goodness. That poor girl, that must have sucked really bad. At least she had an excuse as to why her papers were late? Ah. :/

A lot of people are really into clubs here. It's lovely. (However, there are almost no Lawrence bands. The conies are all way too busy for most of them to be in a band--there's lots of other organized music here though.)

I have yet to be bored in a majority of my classes. (I sometimes fall asleep in Chinese during drill because it gets really repetitive, though the language assistant is trying to come up with funny questions to ask us.)

I've only used it once and it was very reliable then. They made sure everyone who went came back by asking us to write our names in a notebook and scratch them off on the ride back. Right now I think it's making runs Wednesday night. I don't know about the weekends, but I do know at least three of the six vans they have doing runs go across the river to the sports center for sports people. I think there may be additional runs to the mall and grocery stores but I haven't looked into it since I know people with cars. Security will take you places if it's an emergency. They've taken me to the E.R. both times I had to go this year. If you need a ride at night, call security. They're bored and they like the entertainment--they also won't get on your case if you're in any way inebriated as long as you aren't being violent. I've gotten a lot of rides at 4 a.m. from them across campus. It's not a bad walk either; if you walk slow, it's a little more than ten minutes across the main parts of campus. People still complain about it. :)
riot in the souljoyasaurus_rex on February 6th, 2008 05:51 am (UTC)
Oh no :( That's awful about Lucy. Is it because they're trying to cut costs? Like, it's easier to just run one dining hall for the amount of students there than two? (Another random question sorry; what's Lawrence's food service provider, if any?)

Hahaha, wow, heat on all year round??? That's insane! You can adjust it, though, I hope? I can't at my school (well, I get to twist a knob that works sometimes but err.) I already have a massive fan and another one in my room back home :) The South really can get kind of hot during the summer.

That's kind of funny that there are no bands at Lawrence! Kind of contradictory but it makes sense in its own way haha.

I'm glad that the shuttle is reliable :) That's a big problem at my current school and it's nice to know it's not a widespread one! Haha, when I toured Lawrence in December, it seemed bigger when it was on the map but the walk around definitely wasn't so bad.

Thanks so much again!
(Anonymous) on February 15th, 2008 09:25 pm (UTC)
The administration is saying that it makes more "logistical" sense to only have one food place.

We kind of can. There are windows that open.

There are a few but they don't seem to do much. Appleton has an okay music scene outside of Lawrence for a town its size though.

No problem! Sorry I took so long to reply--I had midterms and life got crazy. :)
dyserenitydyserenity on February 15th, 2008 09:25 pm (UTC)
The administration is saying that it makes more "logistical" sense to only have one food place.

We kind of can. There are windows that open.

There are a few but they don't seem to do much. Appleton has an okay music scene outside of Lawrence for a town its size though.

No problem! Sorry I took so long to reply--I had midterms and life got crazy. :)
Allison: confessionwaywardglances on February 4th, 2008 06:12 am (UTC)
oh wow. i thought my school was really small.

i'm from Grayslake, which is north of Chicago! I'm currently at Seton Hill University which is in Greensburg, PA (around Pittsburgh). And SHU only has about 1700 kids, which is actually smaller than my entire high school, so it's pretty crazy. My freshman class here is half the size that my graduating class was. Like your school, mostly everyone here leaves on weekends so it's really boring. Location sucks too because it's kind of in a small town, which would be fine to explore now and then, but we're up on top of a HUGE hill (hence our name) so it's a horrible walk back on campus so I'm kind of stuck. Plus, I can only get home for long breaks (Like spring break coming up on March 14th) and that's bad because I've been homesick like the entire time I've been here. Most people here went to private HS and have that stuck up attitude, so I hate hanging with them.

I'm looking to transfer to ISU, and if I don't get in there, then I'm going to the community college by my house until I figure out where else I want to apply. But either way, I want to go somewhere close to home where if I need/want to, I can get home on the weekends.
riot in the souljoyasaurus_rex on February 4th, 2008 08:57 am (UTC)
I went to Warren :D I'm guessing you went to Grayslake; that's really crazy, we live probably 10-15 minutes away from one another lol. I'm doing the same thing you are hahaha... went out east, changing my mind and crawling back to the Midwest with my tail between my legs. I'm sooo pathetic lol. I totally feel you; I'm COMPLETELY isolated from anything (closest thing is CVS and? Two mile walk. Yeah, you need a car to go just about anywhere and my car is definitely not at college so... rely on others to drive me around which I hate to do or I don't go anywhere. Great.)

I used to be SO homesick, too, so I totally understand how you feel. Who would have ever thought I'd actually miss the stupid Six Flags tourists and having an actual downtown with actual stuff (lol) and all sorts of things. Arg! I'm not as homesick anymore but I'm home right now and DREADING going back to college. I got lucky going home this break; I wasn't supposed to and had to beg forever to my parents to let me come home. Otherwise, I spent the first three some months of college away from home and not being able to return. I wanted to go home because I could NOT do what I did last semester and go that long without going home. I'm going back home for Spring break in a month and a half after I go back, and a month and a half after that I leave to go home so I'm trying to just deal.

Yeah, Lawrence is about 3 hours away from Libertyville (I live on the outskirts, so that's why I didn't go to Libertyville lol), which I think is a pretty good distance away from home. Far enough away where I can't be tempted to go home every weekend (not that I will, after this crazy experience of being 13 hours away!) but close enough that I can go home for a weekend if I feel really homesick or something.

GL with ISU! And hey, when you say community college, do you mean the ever infamous CLC? Hahaha ;)
Allisonwaywardglances on February 4th, 2008 05:46 pm (UTC)
Yeah I was the last class to not be split up between North and Central, so we got really lucky because I would've gone to North. My sister who's 2 years younger than me got her class split up and now she's at North, which I've heard is pretty ghetto. haha

I know, I never, EVER thought I would say that I actually miss Grayslake and evertyhing around home? It's just that so many of my friends are at school with their friends, or at least know 1 other person or something at school, and I came to a tiny school not knowing ANYONE. I'm never able to get home, except for long breaks of more than like, 5 days. So Labor Day weekend I remember was painful trying to find something to do and people do it with, since my roommate ditched me. haha I'm actually begging my parents to send me home for a random weekend in April before finals because otherwise I can only get home during Spring Break and it would completely suck.

I was the exact same way, dreading going back to school. My friends and extended family would ask me if I was excited and I would go "uhhh, suuuuure" haha

Thanks! Yes, I mean CLC. lol I know it's only a community college and stuff, but I cannot imagine coming back here after this semester. Seriously, the only thing keeping me going at this point is the fact that I'm not ever coming back and will probably never see these people again, which I'm perfectly fine with. :)
riot in the souljoyasaurus_rex on February 5th, 2008 05:41 am (UTC)
Yeah, I totally understand how you feel!!! I can't believe I miss anything about this area, tourists, creepy sailors, and all! Hahaha. And some of my friends went to school in Chicago so they're in the same city so they're only a CTA ride away from one another, which is so lucky. Or they went down to U of I (like everyone in the universe, I swear), and the two of my good friends who went down to U of I live in the same dorm! Or they went to school in IA and are only half an hour away, if even. The only person who is absolutely by themselves is myself and my friend who goes to school in California (opposites ends of the country haha), but she absolutely LOVES her school and hates going back home because she hates the weather and really loves where she is so uggggh.

I don't think going away for college is so bad, really. Like, if the school justifies the distance, then totally go for it! It just sucks when the school does NOT justify the distance and it's just like another punishment. Arg :/

I'm dreading having to go back to school tomorrow... eeee :/ I really don't want to go back! Uggggh. I'm just trying to get myself through this initial month and a half period and telling myself the pain is almost over! I counted the number of times my classes meet so I felt a lot better about going on about this.

Haha, hey, isn't CLC one of the best community colleges in the country? (Apparently lol.) And one of my friends going there for a little while to save money and she's quite intelligent so there's nothing to be ashamed of ;) I'm thinking of taking a class (or two) at CLC during the summer in order to get Calc out of the way or something hehe. :D

GL and hope everything works out!!!
Allisonwaywardglances on February 5th, 2008 06:08 am (UTC)
Oh I know, so many of my friends are at Columbia in Chicago and either still live at home or in the city, so they all still hang out. And a ton of my friends (or at least people from school) are all over Wisconsin and IA. lol

Yeah, I definitely had no problem going far away at first, because I had such high hopes. And it wouldn't be bad if I wasn't completely miserable here.

I think I have actually heard that, so I'm not really dreading going there to get some basics out of the way if I don't get into ISU.

ee, I'm sending out my application tomorrow! so after that I'm going to be freaking out until I hear one way or another.

Hey, do you mind if I friend you? We can share more crappyness of our schools. lol
riot in the souljoyasaurus_rex on February 6th, 2008 05:39 am (UTC)
Yeah, everyone pretty much ended up in WI or in IA if they didn't up going somewhere instate. It's so ridiculous! I love how people talk about getting out of this area and they still stay close to home haha.

I totally wanted to go out east, ever since I was a kid. I guess what I wanted when I was a kid wasn't what ended up being best for me as an adult haha. And I totally agree; I don't think being too far away is too hard (anymore) but the school really has to justify the distance.

I hope everything goes well with ISU! Keep me updated :) I'm pretty updated with my transfer hopes in my journal... it's all I seem to want to talk about hehe.

Oh yeah, totally! I'll add you back, hehe ;)
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riot in the souljoyasaurus_rex on February 4th, 2008 08:59 am (UTC)
Wow, lucky! I'm glad you found a school you love, though! Wish I could be doing the same... oh well! :)
maxine nationattakreload on February 4th, 2008 01:33 pm (UTC)
Yup, I'm trying to as well. Green Mountain College is really backwards. The classes are lacking, the buildings are falling apart, the people here are mostly assholes and drunks/druggies, and I can't pursue my dreams here.
riot in the souljoyasaurus_rex on February 5th, 2008 05:23 am (UTC)
GL! I'm sorry about your situation... best of luck and hope you can get out of there asap!
spiceitup2007spiceitup2007 on February 4th, 2008 05:39 pm (UTC)
I'm from Michigan, and attending Grand Valley State University, just east (I think) of Grand Rapids, and I love it here. It IS a suitcase school, but I'm a very private/non-partier type person, so it's great for me. Most of the professors are really great, and the biggest class I have had is PSY 101, which is about 100 people. The professors who teach in lecture halls know how to do it right, though, if you know what I mean. The food here is really good too, tons of vegetarian/vegan options. The stir fry is amazing.

As much as I love it, I am spending a semester in New Zealand next winter, just to get out there and experience the world. Nothing against GV at all, but I want to get OUT of Michigan for a while. :)

Hope everything turns out all right for you!
Angiesmartswimmer07 on February 5th, 2008 02:13 am (UTC)
I go to UM Ann Arbor and I am thinking of transferring to GVSU becuase I don't party and it seems like everyone here does. However I love the program that I'm in, and I got a scholarship. Plus, my parents would NEVER go for it! I swear I haven't made a friend yet..... and my roomates are big partiers and in sororites. I live in a 70 person dorm with 1 hall of girls.... gossipville USA since they are mostly sorority girls. UGH.
riot in the souljoyasaurus_rex on February 5th, 2008 05:27 am (UTC)
Thanks! And glad that you enjoy your suitcase school :) I'm with you -- it doesn't bother me that there aren't many parties (although I do go to parties often enough, I must admit) but the sense of community isn't as strong as everyone likes to say it is, which is something I'm really looking for. Oh well! I'm glad that you like your school and have fun in New Zealand! Lucky being in New Zealand during the winter; I'm sure it'll be just gorgeous there! :)
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Angiesmartswimmer07 on February 5th, 2008 02:25 am (UTC)
yep, currently in ORGO with Nolta with 499 other people.
Sam An Tharedsoxlover33 on February 4th, 2008 08:56 pm (UTC)
My name is Samantha and I'm from Massachusetts, I got to Massachusetts College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences, longest name ever I know. I passed my first semester with a 3.4 which is good, but I'd like it to be higher. I'm a chemistry major and love it. It is a great choice for me. I got over my homesickness because I only live 1 hour away and call my parents ever night. I've made great friend who I know will always be here for me. I love living in Boston, I'm a huge Red Sox fan, so that's a huge plus. There are a lot of things to do around here and I always have a ton of homework. But I love it and it is a great choice for me. Good Luck to everyone!
slowfkafternoonslowfkafternoon on February 4th, 2008 09:17 pm (UTC)
Hey, I visited Lawrence! I probably should transfer from my college (Ursinus College, Collegeville, PA) because the work load is MUCH easier than in high school, but I LOVE the people i've met here, and even if my other classes are easy, I still find the business classes i'm taking totally facinating.
riot in the souljoyasaurus_rex on February 5th, 2008 05:32 am (UTC)
Oh, cool! Haha ;) How'd you like Lawrence?

Oh, I know how you feel about having things keeping you back! I'm a Women's Studies major and I go to a women's college, so obviously, my major is pretty strong *bg* And the people in the department are AMAAAZING, both the professors and the students I met in it. All the people I've met who are Women's Studies majors/minors or interested in feminism and that sort of thing have been awesome and I've made great friends with some of them. But yeah, it's hard to decide whether or not those pros outweigh the cons or otherwise.

It's reaaaaally hard and I've only decided very recently that I am 98% sure I am transferring out. Good luck to you, whichever decision you make!!! :)
slowfkafternoonslowfkafternoon on February 5th, 2008 06:14 pm (UTC)
I thought too many people smoked there (people smoke here too, but I visited during the summer when people weren't around), it was too "in the middle of nowhere" (I need to fly home - and if the airport would have been snowed in, I would have been screwed), and their food was too unhealhy for my taste. But i'm glad you like it! It seemed like a sweet school, just wasn't for me.
riot in the souljoyasaurus_rex on February 6th, 2008 05:46 am (UTC)
OMG, those descriptions sound SO much like my current school! At least half of the girls at my school smoke. Seriously, back home I don't know very many smokers and here, half of the people I know smoke hahaha. It's reaaaally popular here for some reason. Along with vegetarianism which is kind of funny.

And yeah, my school is in the middle of nowhere, too! Literally and figuratively XD The closest thing is CVS and that's a good two mile walk away. You need a car to go ANYWHERE. And with Roanoke, the closest major city is D.C. and that's a good 4 hours away :/ (And haha, since I'm in the South, they are known for canceling/delaying flights at the slightest whiff of snow. Which is so funny because when I left home it had snowed a foot and it's currently snowing and it's going to snow until Thursday aha.)

And my food is really awful (I was the one who made the poll about the food since the people are getting sick from it and etc. etc.)

It's kind of funny hahaha but oh well. At least I don't have to fly home... because if there's one thing I've learned is that the school has to justify the distance. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose. :)
slowfkafternoonslowfkafternoon on February 6th, 2008 11:24 am (UTC)
Yeah, Ursinus is in a small town, but at least Wawa and CVS and the grocery stores are only about a 20 minute walk away, and public transit to Philly is pretty easy. Well for me home is CA, and I need my ocean air once in a while! Too bad the UC system is so huge, and all the small schools are full of rich brats... but no, I wanted to get out of state anyway. Experience something new.